Episode 130

130 - Katie Herzog: Unblocked & Recorded

Published on: 8th September, 2023

In this episode, Sasha and Stella eagerly welcome journalist Katie Herzog, who is also co-host with Jesse Singal on the popular podcast Blocked & Reported (aka BARPod). This dynamic discussion covers a wide range of topics, including Katie’s experiences and observations over the past two decades as a lesbian in the queer / LGBTQ+ community, especially pertaining to trans identities. They also explore Katie’s reflections from her influential 2017 article on detransitioners, The Detransitioners: They Were Transgender, Until They Weren't,  and how her perspective on gender has evolved in the aftermath of its publication. The conversation even delves into repressed memories, different approaches to psychotherapy, nonbinary identities, and the particularly interesting, important and controversial topic - preferred pronouns. Katie, known well for both her wit and thoughtfulness, brought a unique perspective to these discussions, much like she lends to her own work and content.

Links:

Blocked and Reported (Katie’s Podcast with Jesse Singal)

https://www.blockedandreported.org/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile 


The Detransitioners: They Were Transgender, Until They Weren't

https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent 

A Response to the Uproar Over My Piece, "The Detransitioners"

https://www.thestranger.com/lgbtqitslfa/2017/07/03/25262759/a-response-to-the-uproar-over-my-piece-the-detransitioners 


Katie’s Work with The Stranger (including articles linked above)

https://www.thestranger.com/authors/24847206/katie-herzog 


A Segment from Katie’s Appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher

https://youtu.be/H5tZZvUUvXA?feature=shared 


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https://whenkidssaytheyretrans.com/ 


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If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting:

Episode 1 - Trans: Identity vs Dysphoria

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/trans-identity-vs-dysphoria 


Episode 8 - TransGenerational Wisdom: A conversation with Buck Angel

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/8-transgenerational-wisdom-a-conversation-with-buck-angel


Episode 35 - Communicating About Gender: Translating Between Parent & Child

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/35-translations


Episode 39 - Nonbinary Identities

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/39-nonbinary-identities 


Episode 41 - Trans: A Conversation with Helen Joyce

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/41-trans-a-conversation-with-helen-joyce


Episode 52 - Gender Dysphoria & Detransition Research: A Conversation W/ Dr. Lisa Littman

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/52-gender-dysphoria-detransition-research-a-conversation-w-dr-lisa-littman 


Episode 71 - Gender: The American State of Affairs w Jesse Singal

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/71-gender-the-american-state-of-affairs-with-jesse-singal 


Episode 88 — Gender: Philosophy, Institutions, and Policy w/ Leor Sapir

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/88-gender-philosophy-institutions-and-policy-with-leor-sapir 


Episode 93 — A Takedown of Gender Politics with Wesley Yang

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/93-a-takedown-of-gender-politics-with-wesley-yang 



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Two therapists explore the expanding concept of "gender" from a psychological depth perspective.
Gender dysphoria has become a minefield for public discussion, with many afraid to express their views or question the narrative. Our mission is to examine this important and complex topic from a range of perspectives, but always through a psychological lens. By openly considering and examining gender identity, transition, and the transgender umbrella, we hope to give all interested parties permission to engage these fascinating topics with less fear and more honesty. Interviews and discussions will involve clinicians, medical professionals, academics, transgender people, parents, detransitioners and other interesting individuals whose lives have been touched by the concept of gender.

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Is gender identity a facilitation of development and expression of creativity, or can it be a defense against painful existential realities of living in a human body? What can we discover about masculinity, femininity, identity, gender performance, and sexuality when we peer beneath the surface and dive into a deeper psychological exploration? What is the relationship between body, mind, identity, culture, and psyche?

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Stella O'Malley

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Stella O’Malley is a psychotherapist and author who works in private practice in Ireland. Her work focuses on parenting, family dynamics and working with teenagers.

Much of Stella’s counselling and writing focuses on mental health and the importance of well-being and she is a regular contributor to the media. She is also the resident psychotherapist for the current TV series, Raised by the Village, a family programme that helps troubled teenagers reconnect with themselves and their families.

Stella's first book, Cotton Wool Kids, was released in 2015 while Bully-Proof Kids: Practical tools to help kids grow up confident, resilient and strong was released in 2017. Stella’s latest book Fragile, was released in 2019 and focuses on overcoming anxiety and stress.

Stella was the presenter of the documentary Trans - Kids: It’s Time To Talk broadcast on Channel 4 in November 2018 and she contributed a chapter to the 2019 book, Inventing Transgender Children and Young People.

The Jungian analyst, Lisa Marchiano, and Stella launched Secrets of the Motherworld in September 2019, offering thoughtful exploration of the most intimate aspects of motherhood in a bid to help mothers feel less alone.

Stella is a Clinical Advisor for the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine and a founding member of the International Association of Therapists for Desisters and Detransitioners. She is also the lead facilitator for the Gender Dysphoria Support Network.

Stella holds a B.A. in Counselling and Psychotherapy and a M.A. in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

Sasha Ayad

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Sasha Ayad is a Licensed Professional Counselor who works in private practice, and has treated adolescents for over 10 years. Her work focuses on teens and young adults struggling with issues of gender dysphoria and gender identity.

She became interested in the sharp rise in teenagers who declare a trans identity for the first time during adolescence. She discovered, through working with hundreds of families, that many teens were developing gender dysphoria only after adopting a transgender identity. She questions the practice of medical transition for children and teenagers, and her clinical work focuses on developmentally appropriate, least-invasive-first talk therapy.

Sasha is also a founding member and Clinical Advisor in the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine and a founding member of the International Association of Therapists for Desisters and Detransitioners.

Sasha’s previous work experience includes:
- School counselor for middle and high school students at a charter school for underserved communities

- Behavioral therapy with children on the autism spectrum

- Individual and group counseling for women and children impacted by domestic abuse and sexual violence

- Developed and ran the first counseling program at a large state supported living facility for adults with intellectual disability

Sasha holds a B.S. in Psychology and an M.Ed. in Counseling Psychology.